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我來湊熱鬧的^^ 要平安快樂哦
2010-08-23T06:43:20.527-07:00
我來湊熱鬧的^^ 要平安快樂哦 ..................................................

睇完之後覺得有d頓悟..感謝大大分享..˙ 3˙............................................................

教育的目的，不在應該思考什麼，而是教吾人怎樣思考......................................................................

好的部落格就要和好朋友分享--感謝分享............................................................

做好事，不需要給人知道，雖然只是一件微不足道的事，但我相信，這會帶給我快樂。..................................................

快樂，是享受工作過程的結果
2010-08-11T21:23:32.570-07:00
快樂，是享受工作過程的結果 ......................................................................

很棒的分享~留言支持！............................................................

Say not all that you know, believe not all that yo...

2010-08-06T19:04:14.144-07:00

Say not all that you know, believe not all that you hear.............................................................

知識可以傳授，智慧卻不行。每個人必須成為他自己。............................................................

Offence is the best defence.............................................................

愛情不是慈善事業，不能隨便施捨。.................................................................

As for the subject of imputation, here is somethin...

2010-08-03T14:02:47.740-07:00

As for the subject of imputation, here is something you wont see Protestant apologists or textbooks discussing:

In my study on this topic of imputed righteousness, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular lexicon here is what it is defined as:

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QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”
http://tinyurl.com/r92dch
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The lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.

The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:
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Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.

Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
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Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.

To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.
This cannot be right.

So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such. This is confirmed even more when one compares another similar passage, Hebrews 11:4, where by faith Abel was commended as righteous.

Hi, I have written a lot on Sola Fide on my blog...

2010-08-03T14:01:40.021-07:00

Hi,

I have written a lot on Sola Fide on my blog, you might want to have a look at some of the posts:

http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/07/faith-alone-obliterated.html

http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/04/rebuttal-of-james-whites-analysis-of-my.html

And a lot of this comes down to how Protestants and Catholics view the Cross, so I've written a lot on Penal Substitution as well. Here are two posts you might like:

http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2009/04/was-jesus-damned-in-your-place.html

http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/07/atonement-according-to-scripture-more.html

海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。
2010-07-28T21:52:09.882-07:00
海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。............................................................

天道酬勤，blog也是！相信你的用心會讓你更受歡迎的............................................................

耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。
2010-07-23T01:34:18.776-07:00
耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。..................................................

這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！
2010-07-20T16:11:47.553-07:00
這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！............................................................

如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦!
2010-07-17T23:58:53.226-07:00
如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦! ............................................................

If you lend someone $20 and never see that person ...

2010-07-17T23:58:41.031-07:00

If you lend someone $20 and never see that person again, it was probably worth it.............................................................

一時的錯誤不算什麼，錯而不改才是一生中永遠且最大的錯誤............................................................

開心不開心都是一天，祝您能夠笑著面對一切！............................................................

馬丁路德：「即使知道明天世界即將毀滅，我仍願在今天種下一棵小樹。」............................................................

人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。
2010-07-08T20:12:54.360-07:00
人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。............................................................

人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德
2010-07-05T03:12:56.628-07:00
人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德 ............................................................

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我來湊熱鬧的~~^^ 要平安快樂哦 2010-08-23T06:43:20.527-07:00 我來湊熱鬧的~~^^ 要平安快樂哦..................................................

睇完之後覺得有d頓悟..感謝大大分享..˙ 3˙............................................................

睇完之後覺得有d頓悟..感謝大大分享..˙ 3˙............................................................

教育的目的，不在應該思考什麼，而是教吾人怎樣思考......................................................................

好的部落格就要和好朋友分享--感謝分享............................................................

做好事，不需要給人知道，雖然只是一件微不足道的事，但我相信，這會帶給我快樂。..................................................

快樂，是享受工作過程的結果 2010-08-11T21:23:32.570-07:00 快樂，是享受工作過程的結果......................................................................

很棒的分享~留言支持！............................................................

Say not all that you know, believe not all that yo...

知識可以傳授，智慧卻不行。每個人必須成為他自己。............................................................

Offence is the best defence.............................................................

愛情不是慈善事業，不能隨便施捨。.................................................................

As for the subject of imputation, here is somethin...

Hi, I have written a lot on Sola Fide on my blog...

海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。 2010-07-28T21:52:09.882-07:00 海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。............................................................

天道酬勤，blog也是！相信你的用心會讓你更受歡迎的............................................................

耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。 2010-07-23T01:34:18.776-07:00 耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。..................................................

這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！ 2010-07-20T16:11:47.553-07:00 這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！............................................................

如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦! 2010-07-17T23:58:53.226-07:00 如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦! ............................................................

If you lend someone $20 and never see that person ...

一時的錯誤不算什麼，錯而不改才是一生中永遠且最大的錯誤............................................................

開心不開心都是一天，祝您能夠笑著面對一切！............................................................

馬丁路德：「即使知道明天世界即將毀滅，我仍願在今天種下一棵小樹。」............................................................

人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。 2010-07-08T20:12:54.360-07:00 人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。............................................................

人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德 2010-07-05T03:12:56.628-07:00 人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德............................................................

我來湊熱鬧的^^ 要平安快樂哦
2010-08-23T06:43:20.527-07:00
我來湊熱鬧的^^ 要平安快樂哦 ..................................................

快樂，是享受工作過程的結果
2010-08-11T21:23:32.570-07:00
快樂，是享受工作過程的結果 ......................................................................

海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。
2010-07-28T21:52:09.882-07:00
海鷗要高飛，必先遠退。花蜜要香醇，必先久釀。............................................................

耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。
2010-07-23T01:34:18.776-07:00
耐心是一株很苦的植物，但果實卻很甜美。..................................................

這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！
2010-07-20T16:11:47.553-07:00
這麼好的blog不回應怎麼行咧！............................................................

如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦!
2010-07-17T23:58:53.226-07:00
如此活躍的文字, 妳好棒哦! ............................................................

人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。
2010-07-08T20:12:54.360-07:00
人有兩眼一舌，是為了觀察倍於說話的緣故。............................................................

人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德
2010-07-05T03:12:56.628-07:00
人不能像動物一樣活著，而應該追求知識和美德 ............................................................