tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978192805032355232.post1983897662385032846..comments2023-11-05T03:33:48.320-08:00Comments on Boettger's Blog: Justifying The Doctrine of Justification: Part VI of VIMatt Boettgerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11079950537317077283noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978192805032355232.post-43791738427538605352010-08-03T14:02:47.740-07:002010-08-03T14:02:47.740-07:00As for the subject of imputation, here is somethin...As for the subject of imputation, here is something you wont see Protestant apologists or textbooks discussing: <br /><br />In my study on this topic of imputed righteousness, the Greek term “logizomai” is the English term for “reckon/impute/credit/etc,” (all terms are basically equivalently used) and when I look up that term in a popular lexicon here is what it is defined as:<br /><br />—————-<br />QUOTE: “This word deals with reality. If I “logizomai” or reckon that my bank book has $25 in it, it has $25 in it. Otherwise I am deceiving myself. This word refers to facts not suppositions.”<br />http://tinyurl.com/r92dch<br />—————-<br /><br />The lexicon states this term first and foremost refers to the actual status of something. So if Abraham’s faith is “logizomai as righteousness,” it must be an actually righteous act of faith, otherwise (as the Lexicon says) “I am deceiving myself.” This seems to rule out any notion of an alien righteousness, and instead points to a local/inherent righteousness.<br /><br />The Lexicon gives other examples where “logizomai” appears, here are some examples:<br />——————-<br />Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude [logizomai] that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.<br /><br />Rom 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted [logizomai] as a gift but as his due.<br /><br />Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon [logizomai] ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.<br /><br />Rom 8:18 For I reckon [logizomai] that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.<br />——————-<br /><br />Notice in these examples that “logizomai” means to consider the actual truth of an object. In 3:28 Paul ‘reckons’ faith saves while the Law does not, this is a fact, the Law never saves. In 4:4 the worker’s wages are ‘reckoned’ as a debt because the boss is in debt to the worker, not giving a gift to him. In 6:11 the Christian is ‘reckoned’ dead to sin because he is in fact dead to sin. In 8:18 Paul ‘reckons’ the present sufferings as having no comparison to Heavenly glory, and that is true because nothing compares to Heavenly glory.<br /><br />To use logizomai in the “alien status” way would mean in: (1) 3:28 faith doesn’t really save apart from works, but we are going to go ahead and say it does; (2) 4:4 the boss gives payment to the worker as a gift rather than obligation/debt; (3) 6:11 that we are not really dead to sin but are going to say we are; (4) 8:18 the present sufferings are comparable to Heaven’s glory.<br />This cannot be right.<br /><br />So when the text plainly says “faith is logizomai as righteousness,” I must read that as ‘faith is reckoned as a truly righteous act’, and that is precisely how Paul explains that phrase in 4:18-22. That despite the doubts that could be raised in Abraham’s heart, his faith grew strong and convinced and “that is why his faith was credited as righteousness” (v4:22). This is also confirmed by noting the only other time “credited as righteousness” appears in Scripture, Psalm 106:30-31, where Phinehas’ righteous action was reckoned as such. This is confirmed even more when one compares another similar passage, Hebrews 11:4, where by faith Abel was commended as righteous.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978192805032355232.post-3174018454893454202010-08-03T14:01:40.021-07:002010-08-03T14:01:40.021-07:00Hi,
I have written a lot on Sola Fide on my blog...Hi, <br /><br />I have written a lot on Sola Fide on my blog, you might want to have a look at some of the posts: <br /><br />http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/07/faith-alone-obliterated.html<br /><br />http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/04/rebuttal-of-james-whites-analysis-of-my.html <br /><br />And a lot of this comes down to how Protestants and Catholics view the Cross, so I've written a lot on Penal Substitution as well. Here are two posts you might like: <br /><br />http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2009/04/was-jesus-damned-in-your-place.html <br /><br />http://catholicnick.blogspot.com/2010/07/atonement-according-to-scripture-more.htmlNickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01453168437883536663noreply@blogger.com